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    At least Sylvia Brown was honest and upfront! It sounds like she is basing her understanding of the signs on her personal experience and her intuitive abilities, they are not based in any mythological or philosophical understanding, which is what is so important to astrology! It has a tradition and it grew out of myths associated with constellations, and a real need to make connections between us and our larger environment, so that we could learn from it and our role in it as sacred.

    Well, its so great that it was amusing!

    I wonder though, because a lot of people like her, if there were not people nodding their heads when they read her description of Taurus!

    for the record, I have honestly loved and adored at least one person of each and every Sign, and I think of them all as amazing.

    But I am afraid I will not forget the description you just gave for Taurus! I know a Taurus that I love so much! ol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klasien View Post
    My problem with those predictions you find in papers, magazines etc. is that they are so vague and meaningless. They could be applied to anything including getting out of bed and having breakfast.
    I also love how 2 'astrologers' can give completely opposite predictions based on exactly the same cosmic signs!
    I love that you brought this up Klasien! Thank you for expressing this point of view!!

    People ask me about this sometimes. I am glad I can discuss it here.

    On the one hand, I know that there are lots of different aspects happening in the sky at any moment, and different astrologers are going to give importance to different things based on the system they are practicing and their own methods. Personally, I think astrology is not a science at all, and you will never get the same answer from two different astrologers. Sometimes there are huge signposts that many astrologers will discuss, but because what we do is divination, and so dependent on interpretation and communication, there will always be so much to discuss and different angles to consider. Astrology is so deeply symbolic and the symbols, when you really start considering them deeply, can reveal so so much! I am constantly speaking with and reading different astrologers to get another point of view as yet another way to understand my spiritual practice. On some levels, I think that astrologers are always students. I have had the good fortune to speak with and learn from some of the most renowned astrologers in the world, and I have observed them learning right a long with me as well.

    It's interesting, just earlier today I was remembering a lecture I heard in graduate school by the first gay Anglican bishop, Gene Robinson, I remember him talking about how deeply he resonates with Christian scripture, and that he believes that the scripture is constantly revealing itself through more greatly inspired interpretation. I think that for me, astrology is a deeply spiritual practice, and I see the planets and stars revealing their symbols to me more fully the more I am willing to learn about them and cultivate that relationship. It cannot be completed in one lifetime. I share that in the few sentences I get with my audience, and the brief time I get in a consultation, to the best of my ability in that moment. That is what I can give and gain today, which will change and evolve.

    I think also that people like myself who write horoscopes have our own way of communicating what we see, and that will resonate with our own audience. Different people like different things, some love poetic and psychological interpretations, while other people want to read someone with a more literal interpretive and communication style.

    The most important thing for me is not so much what astrologers do as what we represent. Astrology is really the only ancient practice that is a widespread part of popular, mass culture today. It has survived because on some level it affirms our connection with our immediate and larger environment. We are no longer just alienated, random creatures existing in the "iron cage of post modernism" (max weber) but part of a larger rhythm and cycle that has meaning and purpose to it. With astrology, even when only considered entertainment, the understanding of ecology, as the belief that the world is alive, is further reinforced. That little horoscope, those 2 sentences that seem mindless, read in the back of a magazine, have that deep a philosophical root that is reaffirmed in a very quiet, unassuming way.

    For me, that is important. I love being a part of that.

    I love this stuff so much and am passionate about not only what I do, but also why I do what I do!

    And thank you so much for inspiring this from me Klasien! I am grateful for that and this community! I think it may end up in a future article

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    I'm a Taurus, with a Taurus rising, and a Scorpio moon. My husband's birthday is also on April 20th, which puts him on the cusp of Aries and Taurus. He is a Taurus with a Gemini rising and a Virgo moon.

    While I can be stubborn and seem like a know it all, I am definitely not stupid or slow. I am methodical and a bit rigid about certain things, but I can be swayed given the right circumstances. And the part where it said that Taureans speak in that manner is true for me. I sometimes talk like a professor, in fact, that's my nickname at work.

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    Taureans BORING?! More like easily bored. That is because they are usually vastly superior in intellect to those around them. The "huh?" and puzzled look is because they were only pretending to listen to the mindless drivel; being kindhearted, they don't want to hurt anyone's feelings by outright ignoring them.
    AMEN to that! Being a Taurus myself, I much more agree with this interpretation!
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    Now that is interesting. And I will agree, I get very bored, very easily. Boring??? I hope not, I've never been told I was boring. Without inflating my ego and thinking objectively I'd say funny, interesting, interested, smart, talkative, "one who never stops" are common descriptions of me by others, but boring hasn't been one of the key words directed my way...

    Maybe by boring she's exaggerating "Grounded." As a Taurus I must say I am certainly one who prefers stability over spontaneity... I do like spontaneity though, and am quite spontaneous in many ways, but only if I know I'm safe and not being too risky. I won't do things that haven't been looked at from many angles first to ensure I know the various possible outcomes, this usually refers to a sense of security and realizing the consequences before taking action. I do suspect for those who don't think before they act, and are extreme risk takers this could be boring.... I wonder if maybe Sylvia doesn't think before she acts??? It seems she may not have before she wrote this chapter.

    In terms of Taureans liking security and stability, one thing that bothers me a lot is people who are too structured, now that's boring! I get very irritated when I'm out and about and someone has specific plans that are timed down to the minute. When I go out to do something I have a very general plan, which usually means the place I'm going... I really like to go with the flow and take things as they come. For business, structure is great, and necessary, but when I'm out to enjoy myself wherever it may be, I really prefer to not worry about making sure everything happens according to plan. I rarely make a plan at these times, I find it makes people crazy, and it also gets people to be on edge, and disappointed if things don't happen exactly as they imagined or wished them to.

    Have fun and be safe... a compromise of enjoyment and security.

    Taureans are also quite artistic from what I gather... from music to visual arts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haruth View Post
    Its an ongoing bug-bear of mine that sun-sign astrology is all that people know. They therefore make judgement on astrology based on those 12 little summaries printed in the paper each day (and probably written by the tea-boy during his lunch break going by some of them...).

    When you tell people that astrology doesn't pigeon hole you in with 1/12th the entire population: but that you are a unique individual defined by your natal chart, and if you really want to test the effectiveness or otherwise of astrology, you must start there.... you see that glazed look appear...

    I am starting to believe that the general population have been so brainwashed by an education biased entirely toward the scientific end of the spectrum, that they are unable to see outside that particular box. Overlay on this the rift between any spiritual ideal and the economic expectation of a consumerist society, and we are left with a majority unable to think for themselves, and certainly unwilling to go down a path seen as superstition led / different from that of their peers / or offering little 'value' (in the purely economic sense).

    How did I get so far off topic....????

    All I wanted to say, was that as you both suggest, astrology is all too often seen as little more than a curiosity rather than being openly adopted as the incredibly self empowering tool that it undoubtedly is.

    <~~~~~~~~~~All I know about Taureans is the bull...

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    [SIGH] becuz of Haruth's note... How true! I hear about this everyday!

    In a Natal Chart, there are four signs that determine a person's life...
    1. Sun Sign - your inner will or how you will follow your Life Path
    2. Moon Sign - your emotions, memory
    3. Rising Sign [Ascendant] - your life path, ego and your outward appearance
    4. North Node [or "Rahu" in Vedic Astrology] - your learning for this lifetime...

    These four parts actually make up your psyche, so to speak.

    Sunsign horoscopes are fine... but they only give you one part of the picture... the changes that you are experiencing on the inside... but is standard fare... although if you're self-aware... you'll be able to make connections to the changes that go on especially when a planet like Uranus goes DIRECT... or as Pluto changes sign and it's very accurate!!!

    For example, if you go back to Nov. 27, 2008... all of us experienced a change that was indicative of moving forward last year and is going on...

    The Ascendant will clearly tell you what's happening on the outside... meaning your external circumstances... how other people view you as well... the events, opportunities that will happen in your life from your birth thru death. And for me, this is a very important part of your chart... it is everything that goes on in your life... your self-image, your money basically your entire life is cast in that chart... your fortune!

    The "Rahu" is also an important part of your Natal Chart as it talks about the NEW lessons that you will learn in this lifetime after crossing the age of 30 years. And becuz of my observations made based on my life and the patterns I found I started seeing some significance to the concept of 'rebirth'... seriously... i've started living my Rahu as I just turned 30 on the 20th of this month. I have understood the importance of service, cleanliness, exercise and most of all, being detail-oriented and I totally totally respect Virgo women... which is way higher than just showing my love and appreciation! Haha. But that's besides the point!

    What I learnt from astrology is that your 'Rahu' will determine your destiny which is based on your action and words... and your ascendant is an indicator of your fate i.e. what is written in the stars!

    Not only that, I've learned that Mercury Retrograde periods are times you don't buy anything electronic... don't apply for a new job... and sign new contracts either! I've tried all three last year and got scammed! I saved a lot of money...trust me!!! That is why I have only spoken to Nadia about taking a course in astrology but have not agreed to anything until Mercury goes direct. Well, her classes are a result of the same thing... Feb 1 is when Mercury goes direct and she begins Feb 2, 2008! She's a practicing astrologer alright.

    I also met two Danish guys in Goa who bought tickets during a mercury retrograde phase and paid twice as much to get to their destination! Man, that really sucked. They were upset about it!

    I took my brother to a special school for mentally challenged kids... and I found new communication devices [just sent by the government] conk off!!! And people were unable to understand because science cannot map these aberrations! So I asked them to just wait till Feb 1, 2008 and it would work.

    For that matter, if you look at your own communication devices right now... they're conking off... it's Mercury up to his tricks. haha.

    There's more though... so if you look at astrology just by its sunsign... we haven't scratched the surface yet.... not by a long shot... Although, when it comes to making generalizations for each Sun Sign... I must admit Linda Goodman does a fantastic job... from Aries to Pisces. Very unbiased and objective with examples!

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    I'm not sure if this is just me, or if it's a Taurean trait, but considering the theme of boring, I wonder if enjoying one's own company is considered boring? I know a lot of people who need to be busy doing something with others, and when they are alone they don't know what to do with themselves and get very bored. Myself, I don't get bored alone, I enjoy my own company, and can always find something to do that peaks my interest... is that considered being boring looking from the outside in? However, my mother is a Gemini and she too enjoys her own company, maybe it's not so much a Taurus theme.

    I too agree, the sun signs are quite general but still do point to importance when coming from a reputable and well learned astrologer. The newspaper columns I find not very well thought out and take them with a grain of salt. I really prefer delving into my Natal chart. I'm just surprised at the blanket statements Sylvia makes for millions of people born during the season of Taurus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtaur View Post
    I'm not sure if this is just me, or if it's a Taurean trait, but considering the theme of boring, I wonder if enjoying one's own company is considered boring? I know a lot of people who need to be busy doing something with others, and when they are alone they don't know what to do with themselves and get very bored. Myself, I don't get bored alone, I enjoy my own company, and can always find something to do that peaks my interest... is that considered being boring looking from the outside in? However, my mother is a Gemini and she too enjoys her own company, maybe it's not so much a Taurus theme.

    I too agree, the sun signs are quite general but still do point to importance when coming from a reputable and well learned astrologer. The newspaper columns I find not very well thought out and take them with a grain of salt. I really prefer delving into my Natal chart. I'm just surprised at the blanket statements Sylvia makes for millions of people born during the season of Taurus.
    I don't think Taureans are boring at all. Great fun to be with. They go after only the best. Nothing less. Real Men! Macho guys! One thing about them is that they have money, always! They spend it only where it matters!!! I learnt that from a Taurean friend.

    I don't find these traits boring at all. Being exciting won't get you past the practicalities of life...

    Trust me... I'd rather be by myself and live in peace rather than hang out with a bunch of people who give me grief! And sometimes, that's all you really need... there's nothing boring about being left alone in peace...

    A friend of mine sent me this beautiful text message yesterday: If everyone is happy with you all the time, surely you have always made compromises with your life!

    As you so nicely put it:
    We are born at a given moment in a given place and like vintage years of wine we have the qualities of the year and of the season in which we are born. Astrology does not lay claim to anything else.

    If Sylvia finds it boring then let her vent... you're just fine the way you are, like fine wine in your season... Celtaur!

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    my experience of taureans is that they arent stupid but they are earthy, very sexual (males) and like to have control and be the man/breadwinner to take care of their woman/family, rules by venus are sensual and like comfort and loyalty and take a long time to commit to "the one", but may settle for whats comfortable. They also tend not to communicate much with people that arent on their list of top people, like ferdinand they may be out enjoying life or smelling the daisies. Whereas they are too much like aries the ram, and bulls dont like to be pushed are stubborn, and this brings anger from both sides, aries dont procrastinate they charge ahead passionatley and let others sort out the aftermath. The bull is patient but dont push them too far or they have horns too and are stubborn but worth the wait if they arent the controlling type.
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    I'd say Taureans are good for Aries. Aries really blow up fast (not all of course, but there's a tendency in the one's I've known), and are hot tempered, immediately getting ticked off over small things, so much fire. Taurus' let things slide more, and think more practically, seeing various solutions before jumping to final conclusions. Instead of getting flustered immediately, they take their time. If a plate is dropped and broken, Aries will vent, whereas a Taurus (and other earth signs) I've noticed, say "oh well, can't do much about it," and just clean it up and throw it out and let it go. Funny because you'd think Taureans being an earth sign would be materialistic to the point of attachments and upset when something simple is lost, but I think it's the earthiness that has them realize it's just the way it is, nothing lasts, all things earthy will decay and turn to dust eventually. When pushing buttons, it takes a lot to push a Taurus over the boiling point, due to being self contained (grounded) in a way where externals don't affect them as much unless the catalyst is huge enough to cause the raging bull to be unleashed.
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