The River of Life

[angelfire]

Revelations 22: And he showed me a pure river of the water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb.
In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of
life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb
shall be in it and his servants shall serve him. They shall see his face, and his name shall be on their foreheads.
And there shall be no night there. They need no lamp nor light of the sun
for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign for ever and ever.



The river of life, is I think, Kundalini. Many people think that the idea of Kundalini is strictly new age, I think the above disputes that.

The tree of life, is I think, the Chakra's.

What do you guys think?.





peace

[Celtaur]

Revelations 22: And he showed me a pure river of the water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb.
In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of
life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb
shall be in it and his servants shall serve him. They shall see his face, and his name shall be on their foreheads.
And there shall be no night there. They need no lamp nor light of the sun
for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign for ever and ever.

The river of life, is I think, Kundalini. Many people think that the idea of Kundalini is strictly new age, I think the above disputes that.

The tree of life, is I think, the Chakra's.

This is interesting... and Revelations is no easy matter in deciphering as it is full of symbolism. I'm not sure if the river of life is kundalini, I know that Edgar Cayce associated Revelations to the evolution of the self in aspect to the chakra's and kundalini awakening.

Possibly the river is the middle pillar and on either side was the tree of life pillar of mercy and pillar of severity, however, in Qabalah the tree of life has 10 Sephirot, so I'm not sure what the 12 fruits are referring to. Possibly they symbolize the 12 zodiac signs, which is often the common association to the number 12 in Revelations. I think the reference to the "bearing fruit every month" points to this, the zodiac signs. Astrology has long been highly important in religious symbolism. If further pointing to astrological association, the leaves could represent the influences the 12 signs have on people. The chakra's are considered to be 7 in number (for the most commonly known associations) so the numbering here does not point to kundalini in this manner.

I think Revelations is heavy in numerology, so the numbers themselves hold significant keys to meaning.

And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb
shall be in it and his servants shall serve him. They shall see his face, and his name shall be on their foreheads.

This has me think of higher consciousness with the curse possibly relating to "The Fall" the separation from oneness to duality / seperateness / ego. I think the "serve him" here represents selflessness as opposed to selfishness (ego) which is devotional, giving, loving, offering - symbolic of oneness consciousness. Foreheads here could mean third eye, focusing of the mind, higher consciousness.

And there shall be no night there. They need no lamp nor light of the sun
for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign for ever and ever.

This is very masonic in meaning from what I can tell - Divinity being the true Sun, the true light.

[angelfire]

This is interesting... and Revelations is no easy matter in deciphering as it is full of symbolism. I'm not sure if the river of life is kundalini, I know that Edgar Cayce associated Revelations to the evolution of the self in aspect to the chakra's and kundalini awakening.

Possibly the river is the middle pillar and on either side was the tree of life pillar of mercy and pillar of severity, however, in Qabalah the tree of life has 10 Sephirot, so I'm not sure what the 12 fruits are referring to. Possibly they symbolize the 12 zodiac signs, which is often the common association to the number 12 in Revelations. I think the reference to the "bearing fruit every month" points to this, the zodiac signs. Astrology has long been highly important in religious symbolism. If further pointing to astrological association, the leaves could represent the influences the 12 signs have on people. The chakra's are considered to be 7 in number (for the most commonly known associations) so the numbering here does not point to kundalini in this manner.

I think Revelations is heavy in numerology, so the numbers themselves hold significant keys to meaning.



This has me think of higher consciousness with the curse possibly relating to "The Fall" the separation from oneness to duality / seperateness / ego. I think the "serve him" here represents selflessness as opposed to selfishness (ego) which is devotional, giving, loving, offering - symbolic of oneness consciousness. Foreheads here could mean third eye, focusing of the mind, higher consciousness.


This is very masonic in meaning from what I can tell - Divinity being the true Sun, the true light.

Celtaur.... Once all 7 chakra's are fully operational, bearing in mind that it takes years to open the heart, and even longer to open the crown into a glorious fountain, then wonder of wonders, more chakra's explode out of the back, 4 on the torso and one on the back of the head. This makes 12.

Without Kundalini, these higher chakra's wouldnt open. I recall somewhere in the N.T. Christ annointing the eyes of a blind man, he put clay on his eyes, then took it off, and said to the man "what do you see"? and the blind man said "I see men as tree's walking".


Peace

[tehuti]

Revelations 22: And he showed me a pure river of the water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb.
In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of
life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb
shall be in it and his servants shall serve him. They shall see his face, and his name shall be on their foreheads.
And there shall be no night there. They need no lamp nor light of the sun
for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign for ever and ever.


The river of life, is I think, Kundalini. Many people think that the idea of Kundalini is strictly new age, I think the above disputes that.

The tree of life, is I think, the Chakra's.

What do you guys think?.

peace

I have not read and contemplated the occult significance of Revelations, but some obvious astronomical facts can be spotted even in so little text as provided above.

The Lamb refers to zodiacal sign of Aries, the vernal equinox, the spring, the beginning of the year, symbolizing resurrection of Master Hiram Abiff (Christ) from the cold, dark winter months under rulership of Saturn, the grim reaper, the Death itself.

In ancient Chaldean astronomy, Aries was symbolized by lamb.

Waters of life that flows from the Lamb could be the life-giving energy of resurrected Sun (solar Logos) that replenish the whole Earth. Sun is in Aries, or the first constellation that Sun passes from his resurrection to his death.

Throne of God which emanated the Tree of Life with 12 fruits = ecliptic belt?

And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it and his servants shall serve him.

Just said, winter or Death shall pass and Master will be resurrected by the strong grip of the lions paw (masons will understand). Aries, as the first constellation, the first station of Sun during its celestial pilgrimage around ecliptic belt (Royal Arch in masonry) represents renewed life. Firstborn child portrayed as innocent lamb, one might say.

[tehuti]

And there shall be no night there. They need no lamp nor light of the sun
for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign for ever and ever.

This is very masonic in meaning from what I can tell - Divinity being the true Sun, the true light.

The only true light is that of GAOTU. Sun is just a physical manifestation of his directed influence on physical Universe, this is why it was chosen to represent God in almost every culture or religion. This is same with upper worlds. In every of them Sun is at the center, Axis Mundi of that particular level of existence.

I'm very ignorant of the real meaning here encoded, I'm just making an instant speculations.

Most scholars have concluded that Revelations are astronomical fables, clothed in the truly poetic and mythical allegories.

[QUEST]

Revelations 22: And he showed me a pure river of the water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb.
In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of
life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb
shall be in it and his servants shall serve him. They shall see his face, and his name shall be on their foreheads.
And there shall be no night there. They need no lamp nor light of the sun
for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign for ever and ever.



The river of life, is I think, Kundalini. Many people think that the idea of Kundalini is strictly new age, I think the above disputes that.

The tree of life, is I think, the Chakra's.

What do you guys think?.





peace

One theory I heard about the book, is that St. John(the Evangelist) wrote it and he was talking about the demise and fall of the Roman Empire. But I could be wrong.

[angelfire]

One theory I heard about the book, is that St. John(the Evangelist) wrote it and he was talking about the demise and fall of the Roman Empire. But I could be wrong.

Jesus and John could have cared less about the Roman Empire. Their kingdom
was not of this world. The book of Revelations is about mans journey back to
the kingdom of God, or, if you prefer the term, back to mans Divine Self.

Peace and hello to you Quest.

[TheJedi]

It's my understanding that the Christian bible was specifically designed so that the reader would find new meanings, within the same stories and symbolism, each time s/he read it, depending on what was appropriate for his level of need or learning. There's even a term for this, although it slips my mind at the moment. For this reason, it's quite impossible to come to any sort of concrete conclusions, as all symbolism in their bible is constantly shifting and changing. Of course, it's also a very convenient way to make their version of things always "correct."

For me, this is one of the main flaws of conventional Christianity. I believe there is only one Truth, albeit a myriad of ways to attain that Truth, but when your paradigm is constanly changing, there can be no solid foundation on which to build.

[angelfire]

It's my understanding that the Christian bible was specifically designed so that the reader would find new meanings, within the same stories and symbolism, each time s/he read it, depending on what was appropriate for his level of need or learning. There's even a term for this, although it slips my mind at the moment. For this reason, it's quite impossible to come to any sort of concrete conclusions, as all symbolism in their bible is constantly shifting and changing. Of course, it's also a very convenient way to make their version of things always "correct."

For me, this is one of the main flaws of conventional Christianity. I believe there is only one Truth, albeit a myriad of ways to attain that Truth, but when your paradigm is constanly changing, there can be no solid foundation on which to build. Just my two cents, of course.

Noble Jedi - The bible doesnt change, men do. I have no idea what you mean by 'symbolism in their bible constantly shifting and changing'. What I do know about the bible is this, 'do not steal' means exactly that, theres no wiggle room there. Do not commit adultery, means exactly that, again no wiggle room there.

You already know these things as does everybody else. Nothing in the bible changes. Men may change but God never does. Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

You believe there is only one truth. Well blow me down with a feather, so do I, so does the bible. Where we differ is this, 'albeit a myriad of ways to attain that truth'. There is only one way to God, no matter what your religion or beliefs, and that is the way of holiness which is the way of love.

God is vibration, love is vibration, the only way to either is to raise your vibrational level. Nobody ever raised their vibrations by adultery, or by robbing a bank.

May the force be with you Jedi.

[angelfire]

The only true light is that of GAOTU. Sun is just a physical manifestation of his directed influence on physical Universe, this is why it was chosen to represent God in almost every culture or religion. This is same with upper worlds. In every of them Sun is at the center, Axis Mundi of that particular level of existence.

I'm very ignorant of the real meaning here encoded, I'm just making an instant speculations.

Most scholars have concluded that Revelations are astronomical fables, clothed in the truly poetic and mythical allegories.

Greetings tehuti... I have no idea who or what is meant by GAOTU, I will research though. Sun cannot possibly be a physical manifestion, because there is no physical manifestation. We live in a world that is purely mental.
Mental world has no physical manifestations.

Peace