The River of Life

[tehuti]

Greetings tehuti... I have no idea who or what is meant by GAOTU, I will research though. Sun cannot possibly be a physical manifestion, because there is no physical manifestation. We live in a world that is purely mental.
Mental world has no physical manifestations.

Peace

The Great Architect of The Universe (GAOTU).

Denying physical existence is as dangerous as denying the mental nature of reality.

From relative perspective, we populate physical densities or lower frequencies of mental universe, that is we live on lower rungs of spiritual ladder.

From absolute perspective, we populate mental universe and live in illusion of concrete physical reality.

From hermetical standpoint, both statements are correct, only issue is to not dismiss any of them, each is correct from various angles.

[angelfire]

The Great Architect of The Universe (GAOTU).

Denying physical existence is as dangerous as denying the mental nature of reality.

From relative perspective, we populate physical densities or lower frequencies of mental universe, that is we live on lower rungs of spiritual ladder.

From absolute perspective, we populate mental universe and live in illusion of concrete physical reality.

From hermetical standpoint, both statements are correct, only issue is to not dismiss any of them, each is correct from various angles.

Pt.1. Having experienced the reality of the mental nature of existence, I have no choice but to deny physical existence.

Pt2. Of course we live in lower frequencies of mental world,

Pt.3. Yes.

Pt.4. Can't get my mind around this one. If its all the same, I'll stick with the truth as was revealed to me.
Every problem I experience comes about from not living my truth. We are in the world to overcome it, not to be overcome by it.

Peace

[QUEST]

Noble Jedi - The bible doesnt change, men do. I have no idea what you mean by 'symbolism in their bible constantly shifting and changing'. What I do know about the bible is this, 'do not steal' means exactly that, theres no wiggle room there. Do not commit adultery, means exactly that, again no wiggle room there.

You already know these things as does everybody else. Nothing in the bible changes. Men may change but God never does. Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

You believe there is only one truth. Well blow me down with a feather, so do I, so does the bible. Where we differ is this, 'albeit a myriad of ways to attain that truth'. There is only one way to God, no matter what your religion or beliefs, and that is the way of holiness which is the way of love.

God is vibration, love is vibration, the only way to either is to raise your vibrational level. Nobody ever raised their vibrations by adultery, or by robbing a bank.

May the force be with you Jedi.

I do not take the bible word for word? All religions have had two methods of teaching; one exoteric(for the masses) and one esoteric(for the students). Jesus, himself said that he spoke in parables. And I believe that the Kingdom of God is inside of us all and we have to find the path back to it.

On the laws of God, did Moses not kill a man, before the law and it was not on purpose. And would one not, to protect themself and loved ones? And stealing, would one not steal to feed themselves and family? And what about adultery, have we not all looked at someone and had a lustful thought?

I do not believe that the bible changes, but we receive a deeper understanding of it as we progress in spirit. I believe that it is a wonderful and great book, but some stories have been changed and some books are missing.

[growler]

I myself am not well versed in christian symbolism.

However many of the great Occultist of the 15th and 16th century studied the bible in Hebrew and or Ancient Greek ,would use a means of gemetria either Hebrew or Greek to then further interpret the Bible to gain a more clear understanding of its passages.

[Klasien]

Growler... a bit off topic, but your font is so small I can't really read what you are saying, and I would like to!

Klasien

[Blank Rune]

The following is a quote from Quest:

"On the laws of God, did Moses not kill a man, before the law and it was not on purpose. And would one not, to protect them self and loved ones? And stealing, would one not steal to feed themselves and family? And what about adultery, have we not all looked at someone and had a lustful thought"?

Quest (sorry I messed up the quote feature on this one), if I may respond...

Thou shalt not kill is not the most correct interpretation of that commandment.
A more correct interpretation would be, "Thou shalt not murder". Therefore when one's life or the life of their loved ones or any innocent person is threatened, any necessary force including deadly force is authorized in order to protect that person. When someone is killed accidentally then this would not violate the commandment either (keyword here is accidentally).

Thou shall not steal does mean exactly that. However if someone is hungry and cannot not obtain food legitimately (work or charity) then they must do what they must to feed themselves and their family. In this case the person is under duress due to the situation at hand. If I tell you to do something illegal or else I will bring harm upon you or your family members (whether it be assault or torture of any kind...including starving you) and you do it, then you have still committed a crime, but you have done so under duress.

Finally, adultery is adultery no matter how many of us have committed it. I will say that the interpretation of that offense is often wrong (but that is a completely different discussion). The point is that whether one person or the whole town is doing something wrong it is still wrong.
How many of us hate something or someone? That doesn't make it right, does it? If God is love and we hate, are we not stepping away from God? Can we find an instance where it might be understandable to hate? Probably.
How many of us have lied? That doesn't make a lie any less sinful. As a matter of fact, if God is truth and a person lies, does he not step away from God? How not? A lie is definitely a separation from truth. Once again, there are situations where a person would be justified by not telling the truth (thereby committing the offense). For example, if we all knew each other and had contact with each other on a regular basis and someone was doing something wrong, really screwing up. The proper response should be to help the person get back on the right track and so in this case if you and I wanted to do this for someone we would definitely share the "truth" about this person with each other. Now if one of the persons in our group were looking to defile the character of the person who has made some mistakes and we knew this to be true, then that is a whole different situation. This jerk is out to hurt and not help. In this case we are not obligated to share the "truth" about our wayward friend.

Someone mentioned Love being the way to enlightenment...
The law is not complete without the two commandments Jesus gave us, '"You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. The second is like it: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself". The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments."

Without love the law can not be fulfilled. Hate, anger, wrongful desire, false pride...blinds and deafens us. Love returns our eyesight and gives us back our hearing.

Much love to all of you!!!


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