Zeitgeist, Zeitgeist Addendum, Zeitgeist Moving Forward

[bimble]

The new film is out now you can watch it free streamed here..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05277695921912

Id like very much to hear your views, especially about the 'venus project'

[Celtaur]

I found the Venus Project to be very similar to Book 3 of the book series "Conversations with God," where advanced civilizations were discussed.

Essentially the jobs of the world would be done by technology and people would focus more on advanced learning and teaching for spiritual growth and evolution.

I didn't watch the last 30 minutes of the video yet (Addendum), but I didn't see much discussion on the fact that people would still need to work - doing such jobs as engineering these machines, building the machines, and the machines that will build other machines. People would essentially still be working, but the jobs would be more focused on computerization and advanced technologies. And many of these jobs I'm sure would be just as mundane in some aspects as many of todays jobs. I think what the Venus Project is addressing is where people would essential be in a world of equality rather than competition (which money often fuels) and speaks to where people would have the opportunity to live their highest potential, by doing what they are interested in, and flourishing in those areas.

However, even if money is out of the equation, the ego still remains, and the ego is the real root of what causes competition. With that, people would still socially desire various types of status. I think the use of money is the reflection of the ego, but is not the "root of evil," it can however, emphasize, or instigate the inflation of one's ego, as money is seen as power. Money though, is neutral, it is merely energy, it is the use of, the choice of use (free will), that directs the flow of energy.

As this movie points out, the choice of how money is manipulated through the banks, breeds competition and a hierarchy of humanity.

With this in mind... I am beginning to wonder if the current financial crisis is not purposefully developed as part of a larger plan, and since we are in the Conspiracy Theory room, it may be safe to say that the famous NWO may be the desired goal. It's interesting how the Federal Reserve is now giving direct loans to small businesses around the world... by giving these direct loans, it creates a closer network of ownership by one centralized bank.

[bimble]

With this in mind... I am beginning to wonder if the current financial crisis is not purposefully developed as part of a larger plan, and since we are in the Conspiracy Theory room, it may be safe to say that the famous NWO may be the desired goal. It's interesting how the Federal Reserve is now giving direct loans to small businesses around the world... by giving these direct loans, it creates a closer network of ownership by one centralized bank.

I think it might be the start of paving the way for the 'Amero', similar to the euro. To involve, USA, Mexico and canada's merging of monetary systems.

Overall though i found this film more of the same, interesting and informative and very well presented. The Venus project, far from being perfect is certainly showing at last people are thinking seriously about alternatives to the failing capitalist society we are all suffering from at the moment, its just a shame its not the governments thinking like this.

[mousie]

Well, Zeitgeist, if nothing else, is a means to get people to free their minds in way that sheds some light on atypical thinking. Zeitgeist was the first movie I watched that really inspired me to start thinking about my spirituality and my world. Following this was Zeitgeist Abbendum, then Esoteric Agenda, then Hijacking Humanity, and others. Many of the ideas presented in Zeitgeist are NOT backed up by factual evidence, whereas I found in Esoteric Agenda they were much more so, AND provided a simple solution at the end of the movie. The movie discussed oneness with God and the earth and all in it, as well as the key to overpowering dark forces: love.

The fact remains that the Amero is one step closer to amalgamating the governments of the world, IE New World Order. Also realize the fact that food prices have gone up, thus rationing food in the states, Japan, and South America I believe. Now, that being said. Why would they ration our food? The same reason they poison our water systems. (Yes, it's a FACT that sodium flouride is RAT POISON, and we DRINK that.) So, you may need to ask yourself the motives behind the governments creating a New World Order, rationing food, and poisoning water. They are seeking to significantly reduce the population of the world from 6 billion to 500,000,000. That's a huge increase. As for the reason why, I couldn't tell you that. BUT rationally speaking, don't you think it would be easier to control 500 million people than 6 billion? Not only that, but they are looking to completely eliminate any christian, buddist, hindu, etc religions, and have the world completely dissolved into a one-religion world that worships Gaia.

Everything that was said in Zeitgeist cannot be considered FACT until you actually read up on your homework into the Federal Reserve banking system (911 was pretty self-explanatory from interviews and photos), the theory of Christ, well we all know the similarities between Jesus and Mithras, the filmmakers didn't make that stuff up. I think they took a few valid points and shattered their validity by exaggerating the truth, whereas Esoteric Agenda speaks the truth (at least from what I could see). Enjoy the videos, I really do encourage you to watch them.

[EarthBow]

I have watched both Zeitgeist and the Addendum, and tend to agree that the information was sensationalized. As I see it, a lot of the information was forced to fit into their preconceived notions.

For example, the information concerning the astrological signs, was (in my opinion) incorrect. The myths of many cultures state that entities came down from the stars to teach mankind the tools of civilization. This is not the same as a constellation being near the horizon on this or that date.

There are many more examples I could mention, but I hope you get the point.

This is not to say the films were totally without merit, however. These films have been viewed by many, and they have, no doubt, opened a lot of eyes. People will now be more critical of their government, and this could well serve as a catalyst to bring about much needed change. Awareness is an important first step.

I felt that the system proposed in the Addendum was too far reaching. It is too much to fast, and there would have to be many steps between where we are and where they say we should be. Because of this, there is no clear vision of how to reach their lofty goals. The concept suffers as a result.

I also noticed that the Venus project research center has been for sale for at least several months. It seems they can't get their ideas to work on a small scale, what hope is there for the universal adaptation of these concepts?

Overall, these films were interesting and well worth watching. I would like to see some more practical, more immediate steps we can take in this direction.

EarthBow

[Chaldean Shaper]

This was a topic of interest last year, a big issue, an epic conversation piece.

[Leo]

Losing your Ego, surviving the great tribulation and accepting the venus project hive-cities as the solution ? is that the idea ??

- Ego -
Demonising the ego isn't new, in everyday conversations, as in most religions, a man with a big ego is already almost a synonym to the devil incarnate, a monster animated by sins and selfishness only.
But going back to the roots, ego is not the image you want others to have of you, it is not even the consciousness of one's self, (in the sense of the image you have of yourself); it is really your consciousness itself, the very thing which animates you -your soul?-.
Listening to your ego and understanding its specificities, is not only about contenting yourself with your strength, it is mostly about knowing your weaknesses and identifying the lacks your very personal experience as left you to fill, in order to develop your consciousness - the way you will chose to.
Accepting your ego, is also a necessary step to accepting the fact that other individuals also have one, a unique one, and as such deserve all of your respect and consideration...

- Hive -
Reflexively negating your ego is negating the other's. With such a basis for reasoning, we all become soulless clones animated by one common life force, and we can decide what's good for our brethren, or even we can be decided for by the hive spirit in the name of the common good. But what good is it for you ? In the end you would just prosternate to the mysterious greatness of the hive. Is the hive conscious ? You will never even know what it thinks, because it won't be sharing with you, a simple organ of a system. Ants aren't really known for being very clever taken individualy ... where is the purpose of this evolution ?

-Network -
As opposed to Alex Jones discourse, and to the Venus project, I believe it is the duty of each individual to find new ways of satisfying their ego and sharing the recipe with others, thus improving the human condition. That's mostly why I won't ever believe in any centralized system. The greatest diversity of experiences you create, the most new ideas you harvest. Obeying a central computer allocating resources ? No thanks I'd rather take chaos and web 2.0

-Alex Jones-
These were the thoughts the association of the "lose your ego" and the Zeitgeist addendum sprung in me, but for having quickly browsed through his review of the Zeitgeist videos, I don't understand how he could come up with this "lose your ego" speech: it is not consistent with his review, may be it's just a matter of vocabulary, but to me it is a complete non sense. See for yourself : he is rightfully bashing the venus project here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyQtN4HY4Ko

What did you mean when packaging this video along with the zeitgeist addendum Bimble ?

[bsbray]

However, even if money is out of the equation, the ego still remains, and the ego is the real root of what causes competition.

Exactly. Any "root of evil" always comes right back to us. We're the root of it ourselves. That's why it doesn't matter if the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds are running the world, because if they weren't, some other people with different names would be doing equivalent to the exact same thing. Because the sociology of how large groups of people allow themselves to be manipulated is almost statistics, like a subconscious thing that we just can't help when we just don't know better. That's also why history always repeats itself, and similar things happened in Rome, etc.

The only solution is always to become more aware of ourselves and our surroundings, but that usually doesn't work for masses of people at a time, only individuals. Each of us are like the creator in that we have this thing to deal with, and we can make of it what we will.