Duality Karma

[ShadowFox]

I just had a strange thought.. Although I'm sure that some of you have a much deeper understanding of karma than I do, I came around to thinking..

Can accumulated "good" karma eventually be a stepping stone for creating "bad" karma? I mean, what goes around comes around, doesn't it? So supposedly, if one does great good and it comes around, and maybe in the next life you are wealthy and have a beautiful wife and all the luxury and fun life can afford, eventually one's spiritual advancement stops, and stagnates?

I mean, a lot of things in this life that we denote "good" and desirable could actually be detriment to your self? It is amusing to think of karma in this way because it relates to the chinese concept of duality and unity, the Yin-Yang. Perhaps the things we term as "undesirable" have a potential for faster spiritual advancement and the "desirable" as potentially slowing one's self down?

In Vedanta, if I remember correctly, duality is the mask of reality. When one sees things as merely one or the other, it becomes evil in the sense that one's perception of reality is skewed and distorted by this separation into "good" or "bad" and the exclusion of hidden potential for something new or even its arbitrary "opposite". Hindu texts speak of achieving a state of transcendental reality that is free from duality, judgment, and is characterized by pure awareness alone. A state of liberation, from "good" and "bad"...

The buddhist concept of "extinguishing desires" and non-grasping also comes into mind. The state of seeking pleasure for its own sake is the creation of the aversions, and the grasping, craving of the senses.. All of which equate to suffering.

Perhaps all our search for pleasure and avoidance of pain is how karma moves and and continues to repeat itself.. And to extinguish these is to break the cycle.

What do you happen to think of this? What is your understanding of the concepts of "good" and "bad" karma? I find the concept of good karma having a hidden potential for negative manifestation and vice versa to be mind-blowing. Please discuss.

[Chaldean Shaper]

The point of the term, is that you might become, somehow, intuitively, synesthetically, or psychically aware to the force. Perhaps it is sensed. Perhaps that's why good and evil is usually relative and determined by intuition, i.e. circumstantial, not some universal. This especially accords with the mystical, which is beyond a rationalization.

According to and acknowledging the laws of attraction, your inquiry would be misguided. Yet, I'd often set those aside. You've shown a distrust of Karma before. Focus on insight into causality.

[Echo]

Can accumulated "good" karma eventually be a stepping stone for creating "bad" karma? I mean, what goes around comes around, doesn't it? So supposedly, if one does great good and it comes around, and maybe in the next life you are wealthy and have a beautiful wife and all the luxury and fun life can afford, eventually one's spiritual advancement stops, and stagnates?]

I personally feel that if we have the situation where we have done great good in a lifetime, we will be rewarded with spiritual progression, rather than material things. If that means we are allowed to move on to the next 'lesson', then the circumstances of our next life will be geared towards giving us the best chance of learning that next phase. If that means we are paupers or kings, it doesn't matter.. because the soul has the wisdom, if we let it, to choose the right path regardless.

I also feel that as we progress, the lessons may be tougher.. because we already have gained the experience to deal with tougher 'assignments'.

There are many who are wealthy who choose to put their wealth to work for the benefit of others. often quietly so they don't get masses of publicity. There are many who give up a comfortable existence to help others or pursue a spiriual vision. And there are many whom wealth corrupts. It is not the fault of the wealth, but of the choices the person makes.

Look at the basic stories of two of the Lightbringers. Jesus, we are told, was the son of a carpenter.He obviously had a brilliant mind, debating with the teachers in the Temple. He could probably have made a good, comfortable career for Himself. The story tells that He was tempted in the wilderness and offered all manner of things.. yet He chose the harder path, and died on the cross. Gautama Buddha was a prince of the realm.. He had all a young man could desire.. yet He chose to renounce all this when He saw the realities of life, and dedicated His days to finding a solution to the problem of suffering. Gautama could have used His position to try and better the lot of His own people, and probably been loved and adored by them.. but He chose instead to try and find a way of bettering the lot of humanity.

It is the choices they made that left their mark on human history and on so many hearts.

It may be that the apparent circumstances of luxury are themselves the key to the choices that need to be made.. and as with all things of value that are double edged.. it is what we choose to do with them that determines our success or failure in the end.

[Haruth]

Can accumulated "good" karma eventually be a stepping stone for creating "bad" karma? I mean, what goes around comes around, doesn't it? So supposedly, if one does great good and it comes around, and maybe in the next life you are wealthy and have a beautiful wife and all the luxury and fun life can afford, eventually one's spiritual advancement stops, and stagnates?

I have to concur with Echo.

Karma is not about material 'good' and 'bad', but is purely a spiritual operation. Whether we find our material circumstances living in rags begging in the street, or living a life of luxury surrounded by wealth - we are placed there in order to learn some spiritual lesson which will allow us to progress or fall back spiritually.

I don't believe that one (rich v's poor) offers any spiritual advantage over the other. Each has its merits as well as its pitfalls to avoid...

[Celtaur]

Can accumulated "good" karma eventually be a stepping stone for creating "bad" karma? I mean, what goes around comes around, doesn't it? So supposedly, if one does great good and it comes around, and maybe in the next life you are wealthy and have a beautiful wife and all the luxury and fun life can afford, eventually one's spiritual advancement stops, and stagnates?

I don't think one's amount of wealth determines anything about their level of spirituality or non-spirituality. To some I may be considered very poor, to others I may seem very rich. It's all relative. I think watching Abundance and Right Livelihood would be useful to get a more balanced view of money and spirituality.

I can't see what having money, beauty, luxury and fun life can afford causes one to have bad karma. Enjoying the moments in life is a very Buddhist approach to living. It's the obsessive attachments and identification with these things that can lead down a slippery slope, but I think the spiritual root of someone guides how they relate to these things. It's about where you are coming from. If someone has a beautiful or homely partner, what difference does that make if you are on a spiritual journey of growth and shared love together? I think there is a disconnect here in associating judgments with a misguided hierarchy of what is and is not positive. Oprah, being one of the richest people on earth, does a lot of good karma actions with that money. She finds purpose and meaning in using what she has for spiritual and authentic ends. From what I can tell about her focus, she's advancing spiritually every day on her own path, and she's rich. There's nothing wrong with having money, it's how one got the money that says more about their spiritual selves than the money itself. Money is neutral, it does nothing without intentions of mankind behind it. It's a blank slate that reflects one's choices. A friend told me this quote once, "Money doesn't corrupt, it reveals." Meaning that depending on who has the money it will reveal their true intentions and character whether it be for positive or negative ends it's up to the individual.

[LadyofBlackLions]

The point of the term, is that you might become, somehow, intuitively, synesthetically, or psychically aware to the force. Perhaps it is sensed. Perhaps that's why good and evil is usually relative and determined by intuition, i.e. circumstantial, not some universal. This especially accords with the mystical, which is beyond a rationalization.

According to and acknowledging the laws of attraction, your inquiry would be misguided. Yet, I'd often set those aside. You've shown a distrust of Karma before. Focus on insight into causality.

" The Law of Karma.

This is the natural principle of cause and effect. Every cause has its' effect; every effect has its cause. Everything happens according to law. Chance is but a name for law not recognized.
There are many planes of causation, but nothing escapes the law. It is ever at work with chains of causations and effects that govern all of life and manifested matter. If a person was to follow each chain link of causation, it will be found that it has its beginning and endings in the non material realm, the realm of spirit. It affects the throwing of dice on a gambling table or a rock slide that is caused by rain and wind. Each can be followed and understood to the observing mind which sees the cycles in all things, and realizes that all things follow the Great Law. The law itself is illusive and cannot be proven other than observed with the mind and is used to determine the causations and effects of any event. When this law is used with conscious effort, desired results can be produced in a person's life by steering him or herself along definite paths of causation. When the law is used in an unconscious and haphazard mind, the effects could become potentially disastrous for the individual or group of individuals. So called "accidents" could occur without warning to individuals who toil through life without awareness. We are responsible for the very thoughts that we produce and the final result of our own mental alchemy. Fear is one of the most dangerous mental causation that prevents a person from thinking and acting as the higher self would prefer. The cause of fear is the result of a lack of knowledge about the unknown God which should be the most important educational journey in a person's life. The causation of fear can only be removed through knowledge, wisdom, and understanding Universal Law, the reality that we live in order to produce the desired effects in our lives. The greatest evil under the sun according to Hermes/Thoth, is Not knowing God. In every minute thought, action, and deed that is performed, a person sets into motion unseen chains of causations and effects which will vibrate from the mental plane throughout the entire cellular structure of body, out into the environment, and finally into the cosmos. Eventually the vibratory energy returns to its originator upon the return swing of the pendulum. All this in less time than the twinkling of an eye. Because there are seven dimensions of reality in which causations can occur, we remain unaware of many reasons for effects. By understanding Universal laws we can learn to operate in grace instead of accumulating karma (restrictive). This law is mechanically or mathematically operative; its workings may be scientifically manipulated by men and women of divine wisdom (fully realized). The karmic law requires that every human wish find ultimate fulfilment. Therefore, desire is the chain that binds man to the reincarnational wheel. Karma is attracted only where the magnet of the personal ego still exists. An understanding of karma as the law of justice underlying life's inequalities serves to free the human mind from resentment against God and man.

The Law of Grace.

This can waive the Law of Karma. When applied, this law allows a person to receive more than one deserves or works for if it is in the highest good for all. When called upon, this law allows the person to send another a healing, to do soul talk, use divine decree, etc. and not suffer the consequences of karma incurrence, or interfere with the receiver's soul plan. The wording to insert in the request is "Under the Law of Grace." Another aspect of this law is to be of higher vibration to consistently live in grace. i.e. A loving person who works diligently sending world healing to Mother Earth and all on her body, and focusing so much on this activity, while shopping she forgets her car meter has expired. In all probability her car will not receive a ticket for this expiration. This condition can not be abused or it will leave.

The Law of Attraction.

This is the basic law of all manifestation, the Love Aspect, and it governs the Soul aspect. One of the Three Major Laws, and it has 11 subsidiary laws. Fundamentally, this law describes the compelling force of attraction that holds our solar system to the Sirian. It holds our planets revolving around our central unit, the sun. It holds the lesser systems of atomic and molecular matter circulating around a center in the planet, and that of the subtle bodies co-ordinated around their microcosmic center. It is the primary law of man. The law of synthesis is beginning to be felt. "

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Life experiences have revealed to me that all that was, all that is, and all that will be is within me. All I need do is "learn how to remember... how to let go of fear; how to express unconditional love.

"Nothing is good. Nothing is bad. Nothing is right. Nothing is wrong...

until you react to it and make it so."

Learning how to let go of fear...

In the third/fourth dimension, only through the grace of forgiveness are we able to dissolve karmic debt.

Learning how to express unconditional love...

In the higher dimensions of unconditional love, forgiveness is pre-granted because there is no thing that requires forgiving.

Choose wisely, Co-creators.
Smile in wisdom. Guide with compassion.

Peace, unconditional love, and joy to you and yours,
Lady

"I love you more than I love self, and I love self most..."
my father

[Chaldean Shaper]

The Law of Grace.

This can waive the Law of Karma. When applied, this law allows a person to receive more than one deserves or works for if it is in the highest good for all. When called upon, this law allows the person to send another a healing, to do soul talk, use divine decree, etc. and not suffer the consequences of karma incurrence, or interfere with the receiver's soul plan. The wording to insert in the request is "Under the Law of Grace." Another aspect of this law is to be of higher vibration to consistently live in grace. i.e. A loving person who works diligently sending world healing to Mother Earth and all on her body, and focusing so much on this activity, while shopping she forgets her car meter has expired. In all probability her car will not receive a ticket for this expiration. This condition can not be abused or it will leave.

On this and all of the conjectures pertaining to wealth, I think it is difficult to determine what one deserves, but that there is an amount that might be ideal. I would like to see that for anyone worth his salt. Maybe a person, like a hero, deserves an exorbitant sum, but past a point how well does it serve him?

[Steavis]

Being humans, as we all are, makes life not so easy as judging what is good and what is bad. For instance you can do something in your own eyes that is seen as good, but another person might see that as being good, but there is some bad in there. Life is not so black and white. That is why there is religion, why people believe in higher beings than themselves. I believe that God will deal me my karma, whether it be good or bad, in a way that will teach me my lessons in life to become a better person or to make my life easier in the passing to the next life. Karma is so easily connected to the law of free will. In my beliefs God gave me free will, so is not having Karma a way of him showing us that if you do good things, then good things will happen to you, etc?

[angelfire]

What do you happen to think of this? What is your understanding of the concepts of "good" and "bad" karma? I find the concept of good karma having a hidden potential for negative manifestation and vice versa to be mind-blowing. Please discuss.

If it is true and I believe it is that all is energy, then there is no good or bad energy, just higher and lower.

[Celtaur]

If it is true and I believe it is that all is energy, then there is no good or bad energy, just higher and lower.

Higher and lower is an interesting concept because it can be interpreted as higher being better, or more desirable and lower being less so. However, upon having a conversation a few years ago about the angelic hierarchy as it is known, I was taught that it is not that the higher ranking angels are to be considered as more important. Each category in the hierarchy is considered equal, all having their own unique, and equally important functions. They are not higher or lower in importance, they simply have different purposes. It's like the path of Qabalah up and down the tree, the ascent and descent all equally as important, a part of the whole.