Freemasonry, Geometry, God and the Goat

[jdilla11596]

So i guess you weren't told about The secret doctrine that only gets alluded to master masons

"Your deepest desires often comes the deadliest hate." -Socrates

It seems in your mission to prove yourself knowledgeable, you have attained a sincere distaste for me. I can simply say that I describe the Masonic Life, the sacred path towards understanding; that which I've learned from its symbolism, manuscripts and the faithful study of the liberal arts. I do not claim to know anything of significant value, just the subjects that can be meditated on and applied to a person's experience. I think its important for a person to understand the morals and ethical edifices of these Teachings. As they command the greatest action know to man: to be true, to be right and to love his brother. Which is what I wish to share.

I have not been raised into my Lodge, yet. It is the reason I participate here, to join the speculation of the arts, before I become apart of my Craft. I assume that your well acquainted with The Doctrine, as you are with everything else. As I do not know as much, can you go into depth on what your saying? Your responses have not given adequate definitions, to the topic on hand. I could not understand what you were trying to convey, if you don't mind, can you explain it again?

I do need to apologize for attacking you about the Emerald Tablet, those kinds of interpretations cause me to be rule by my passion, instead of my reason. If you could explain that translation, I would certainly like to understand it more, before I make any judgement.

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I think the "supernatural" is non-existent, its meaning is existing outside the laws of nature; implying there are forces external to nature, such as: Divine Intervention. A contradiction, that God created laws, and there exists variables that can break them.

Physicists are discovering exciting new things about our Universe, that all of its parts are balanced proportionately and ordered. There exists specific patterns, that if broken have serious consequences, like black-holes. I think this is a sign of "super-physical" attributes or forces that exist within the limits of the laws of Nature, that we cannot perceive or at this time do not understand.

The Egyptian's form of Magic, from what I understand, is "a profound knowledge of the laws of Nature." This implies that they are acquainted with "super-physical" tendencies, or performing arts that work within the laws of Nature, such as: ritual, thought, intention and telekinesis. These are variables that work with modern physics and eastern oriental thought: that everything in the universe is interconnected and dependent on interrelationships with each other. This idea means that things can only exist within the flow of collective consciousness in the entire universe, there is nothing that can bend it.

That's what I think, for now. I am not well acquainted with any thoughts on Magic, I usually stick to literature on philosophy, psychology and religion. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

[Hiram]

So i guess you weren't told about The secret doctrine that only gets alluded to master masons

brifae i hope this is partially in jest. conspiracy theorists spread fear for money. if you want to know what masonry is you can google search almost every ritual and "secret teaching". there is no secret doctrine to take over the world. the biggest decision made in lodge is whether to have tuna or ham sandwhiches afterwards.please look into the leo taxil hoax and that is only one example of slander spread in the face of masonry. no organization formed by man can ever be completely pure from corruption is some forms, but to suggest that masonry is plotting the take over of the world is not only foolish it is insulting to people who find value in its teachings. in my mind masonry is one of the few true lights left in the world. one which is rapidly declining when it should be growing. the world could use a little more brotherly love right about now.

In the end you see what you want to see.

ignorance is bliss and in regards to masonry, many people are blissful!

let us remember the story of The Blind Men and the Elephant

[brifae]

no its true i will post a documentary of actual masonic ledgers alluding to the secret doctrine

[brifae]

a known member of the kkk.......Grand Philosopher Albert Pike, who explains that those in lower degrees are "intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them, but it is intended that he shall imagine that he shall understand them. The true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry." (Morals and Dogma , by Albert Pike p 819).

[nospoplusiunctum]

a known member of the kkk.......Grand Philosopher Albert Pike, who explains that those in lower degrees are "intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them, but it is intended that he shall imagine that he shall understand them. The true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry." (Morals and Dogma , by Albert Pike p 819).

You are the secret doctrine, that is the message of all the secret societies. Language, Symbols, Rituals are all the keys; but YOU are the Lost Word, the Hidden Doctrine. That is what they allude to the Master Mason, no matter what his Craft may be. Those you cannot grasp this are not wise, religious, or even remotely intelligent and do not deserve to even glance at any of the teachings.

This is what happens when you let the uninitiated lay their eyes on the honorable teachings of Masonry, they pervert them, like they have done to anything sacred. Only the fool is so easily convinced by these ludicrous conspiracy theories, who helps delay the ultimate goal we labor for in Humanity.

Albert Pike is rolling in his grave.

[Hiram]

brifae,

ive always respected you and your posts, and i have gained wisdom from many of them. I have never assaulted your beliefs, and i would ask you show me the same respect in turn. clearly you have some vendetta against masonry and you are entitled to your opinion, but when you start making allegations based on faulty foundations, and taking quotes out of context it starts to grate my patience.

Albert Pike was most certainly NOT a member of the kkk. There is no firm evidence to suggest he was. Albert Pike WAS against black suffrage (the right for SLAVES to vote) but it was NOT due to some hidden racist agenda. It was purely political.

"During his military service in the US Civil War, he chose to lead only native Indian troops - something others eschewed because of the perception that Indians were 'sub-human'. His position on slavery is sometimes assumed because of his service in the Confederacy yet that assumption reflects ignorance of the beliefs of a well-read gentleman living in the South and feeling an obligation to support 'his' country." http://www.masonicinfo.com/pikesracism.htm

and here is a quote from Albert Pike regarding Prince Hall (African American) Masonry.

"Prince Hall Lodge was as regular a Lodge as any Lodge created by competent authority. It had a perfect right to establish other Lodges and make itself a Mother Lodge."

Albert Pike kept no slaves. And he is the only Confederate General to have a monument in Washington. So your wild allegations towards a kkk allegiance are only intended to incite, and are not based on factual evidence.


As to taking quotes out of context. Here is the full content Mr Pike was attempting to portray.

"[It is absurd to suppose that men of intellect adored a monstrous idol called Baphomet, or recognized Mahomet as an inspired prophet. Their symbolism, invented ages before, to conceal what it was dangerous to avow, was of course misunderstood by those who were not adepts, and to their enemies seemed to be pantheistic. The calf of gold, made by Aaron for the Israelites, was but one of the oxen under the layer of bronze, and the Karobim on the Propitiatory, misunderstood. The symbols of the wise always become the idols of the ignorant multitude. What the Chiefs of the Order really believed and taught, is indicated to the Adepts by the hints contained in the high Degrees of Free-Masonry, and by the symbols which only the Adepts understand.

[The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry. The whole body of the Royal and Sacerdotal Art was hidden so carefully, centuries since, in the High Degrees, as that it is even yet impossible to solve many of the enigmas which they contain. It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons, to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain, and without any true reward violate his obligations as an Adept. Masonry is the veritable Sphinx, buried to the head in the sands heaped round it by the ages.] " Morals and Dogma.


It all comes down to the pursuit of inner wisdom, and the individuals journey to attain it.

I just ask you look at the whole picture before trusting conspiracy theorists that make their bread through generating mass fear. Albert Pike was a great man, and your post was (unknowingly or not) based of fractured evidence and the quote taken completely out of context. You slander not only his memory but also a system of enlightenment which many hold dear, myself included.

Judge not lest ye be judged.

[brifae]

It is not a personal attack on you anymore than when someone goes into the corruption of christianity.
If it was an equal system of advancement then i could see the discovering of mysteries as being a reason for deception however that does not happen only a few ever make it to the top of the pyramid while the majority remain on the porch. Meaning not all masons are evil just horribly decieved, just the ones at the top, such as american politics, or the vatican. Just like wiccans even though i declare myself a witch, are coopted by the NWO. I am not judging when anyone protests what i say i will just post more evidence as required to support "opinion"

Albert pike was involved with the kkk, i knew this long long ago when i took american history in college before i even heard of masonry.
Bunch of evidence: (required a google search) but yes entitled to what we want to beleive....

you also took the quote you provided out of context it is in its entirety (your part of the quote was actually a complaint that they were treated as regularly)
on the website below with alot more evidence including:

I am not inclined to meddle in the matter. I took my obligations to white man not to negroes. When I have to accept negroes as brothers or leave masonry I shall leave it: Albert Pike

http://freemasonrywatch.org/albertpikeandkkk.html

[Hiram]

once again you take quotes from their original context. here is the full letter to his brother on the issue.

"MY DEAR FRIEND AND BROTHER.-I can see as plainly as you that the negro question is going to make trouble. There are plenty of regular negro Masons and negro lodges in South America and the West Indies, and our folks only stave off the question by saying that negro Masons here are clandestine. Prince Hall Lodge was as regular a Lodge as any lodge created by competent authority, and had a perfect right (as other lodge in Europe did) to establish other lodges, making itself a mother Lodge. That's the way the Berlin lodges, Three Globes and Royal York, became Grand Lodges.
The Grand Orient of Hayti is as regular as any other. So is the Grand Orient of the Dominican Republic, which, I dare say, has negroes in it and negro lodges under it.
Again, if the negro lodges are not regular, they can easily get regularized. If our Grand Lodges won't recognize negro lodges, they have the right to go elsewhere. The Grand Lodge can't say to eight or more Masons, black or white, we will not give you a charter because you are negroes, or because you wish to work the Scottish Rite, and you shall not go elsewhere to get one: That latter part is bosh.
Hamburg recognizes the Grand Lodges. Yes, and so the German Grand Lodge Confederation is going to do, and so will the Grand Orient of France before long.
Of course, if negrophily continues to be the religion established by law of your State, there will be before long somewhere a beginning of recognition of negro lodges. Then the Royal {Footnote to pg 214. - This was written before the Grand Orient had dispensed with the requirement of a belief in God.-w. h. u.}
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Arch and Templar bodies of negroes must be taken in, and Masonry go down to their level. Will your plan work? I think not. I think there is no middle ground between rigid exclusion of negroes or recognition and affiliation with the whole mass.
If they are not Masons, how protect them as such or at all? If they are Masons, how deny them affiliation or have two supreme powers in one jurisdiction.
I am not inclined to meddle in the matter. I took my obligations to white men, not to negroes. When I have to accept negroes as brothers or leave Masonry, I shall leave it.
I am interested to keep the Ancient and Accepted Rite uncontaminated, in our country at least, by the leprosy of negro association. Our Supreme Council can defend its jurisdiction, and it is the law-maker. There can not be a lawful body of that Rite in our jurisdiction unless it is created by us.
I am not so sure that, what with immensity of numbers, want of a purpose worth laboring for, general indifference to obligations, pitiful charity and large expenses, fuss, feathers and fandango, big temples and large debts, Masonry is become a great helpless, inert mass that will some day, before long, topple over, and go under. If you wish it should, I think you can hasten the catastrophe by urging a protectorate of the negroes. Better let the thing drift. Apres nous le deluge.
Truly, yours,
ALBERT PIKE"


http://www.masonicinfo.com/pikesracism.htm

one of the oldest mandates in masonry in order to apply is that a man must be born free.
Again i believe Mr Pikes frustration is more attuned to the political aspect of bringing in all the varying branches of Masonry under a single roof and the hierarchical chaos that would result, than it is a slight to simply african american masons.


i have actually read Morals and Dogma. I do not feel my quotation was out of context in any way. Nowhere in the book does Mr Pike give reference to any sort of racism and as far as im concerned the fact that he chose to fight beside Native Americans over Caucasians is the nail in the coffin to the KKK theory. I think the racism you accuse him of was typical of the time and place he lived. We could go back an forth all day listing quotes, and citing factually illegitimate websites. I am just asking you to be more careful with your quotations and mindful of the beliefs of others.

[brifae]

no i didnt take it out of context, people can read the edited letter you have still now not posted and decide for themselves the context. And also look at the link i provided for the full letter much more quotes and proof such as in the letter he also states:
I am interested to keep the ancient and accepted rite uncontaminated, in our country at least from the leprosy of negro associations.

The prince hall and silver star lodges are not regular and equal lodges as the old boys club.

I think you are arguing against yourself saying he is a racist product of the time that supported slavery yet was not a racist. It is true that many members of the kkk were also masons at the time.

While its influence in local lodges probably varied widely, the infiltration of the Klan was noticeable enough that most Grand Masters, prompted by unfavorable public opinion and dismay over the dissension the Klan was promoting within Masonry, found it necessary to make a statement either condemning the Ku Klux Klan or denying Masonry’s connection with it."4
Delmar Duane Darrah, History and Evolution of Freemasonry The Charles T. Powner Co. , Illinois: 1951. [p. 319.] ^

That the north was antislavery and he was a confederate fighting against this but had no slaves himself, just because he used native and black pawns as soldiers didnt mean anything. He was grand dragon of the arkansas kkk and wrote some of their rituals. The civil war itself wasnt even about slavery it was about the industrial north versus the agricultural south, the north wanted to cripple the power held by plantation money in the south by outlawing slavery as lincoln had slaves himself. However pike wanted t to stir up racial tensions for a second civil war that the south might win.

A major reason lincoln was assissinated because of the racial integration though.....Pike had to run to BC Canada, actual where I live and there are nasty public records at the vancouver public library too....
Although i learned of his kkk affiliations while taking us history in college in texas.

`under pressure from Masonic officials in the government,'' the new President Andrew Johnson permitted Pike to re-enter the U.S.A. The Rite was reborn over the next few years, as money and messengers went back and forth between Pike and the Confederacy's sponsors in England. In April 1866, a year after the murder of Abraham Lincoln, Albert Pike's Supreme Council met in full costume inside the White House. There Lincoln's successor President Andrew Johnson granted a pardon to Pike. The following year, the awed and grateful Johnson was granted advanced degrees 4 through 32 by the Scottish Rite. The Masons claim that Johnson's Freemasonic involvement was an important reason why the pro-Reconstruction congressmen tried to impeach Johnson. Albert Pike could not go home to Arkansas, however. He was still under indictment for treason by state authorities there, for inciting the Indians to break laws or treaties. So he settled in Memphis, Tennessee, just across the Mississippi River from Arkansas, becoming a newspaper publisher, lawyer--and president of the Tennessee Bar Association. Tennessee blacks got the right to vote in February 1867. Beginning that spring, Albert Pike and a small group of Confederate generals held several meetings in Nashville, at the Maxwell House Hotel, to form the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. (KKK=11,11,11 added by Hard Truth/Wake Up America) The name was taken from the Greek, {kyklos}, meaning ``circle.'' It was no mystery to the pro-Unionists: The Knights of the [Golden] Circle had reappeared. Pike was appointed chief judicial officer of the Invisible Empire. He is said to have written the Klan's military manual and ritual, and was the Klan's expert on secrecy of organization--its secret grips, signs, and passwords.
Hmm wonder where the kkk got their ideas for hand grips?

The confederate flag is loosely connected to the kkk, redneck flag. The kkk use a red and white cross like the templars...are kind of white supremacy zionist knights. Also related to knights columbus. nazism, extreme conservatism, moral right "americanism" or "family values as victim.

[nospoplusiunctum]

It amuses me to see these conspiracy theories uncover the links between all the organizations that control the world, but the one's that are so ignorantly naive to accept them cannot see how well these tall tales control their thoughts and opinions affecting their own consciousness and worldview.

All these imaginative stories of conquest, advancement, attainment and the acquiring of the so-called "secret doctrine" are all so blatantly ego-driven that its discouraging. It seems that its been forgotten that YOU are the secret doctrine -the societies that perpetuate its teachings give you the key to unlock the Christ-consciousness in yourself. Its a shame to see such honorable and sacred traditions be perverted by a few people who spread ideas based upon Fear. Isn't it Fear, Ignorance, and especially Superstition the hampering agencies we seek to overcome? To transmutate into Freedom, Justice and above all Brotherly Love?

Its only the simple mind that believes everything he reads; but it is the courageous heart that seeks Truth, who holds it in his faithful breast, while he labors for the benefit of mankind. Albert Pike was one of these rare men, and is certainly a source of inspiration - whose image could never be tainted by cowards who glance from a distance and make accusations, illogical assumptions based on their fear-driven egos.

"Learn, that you may be enabled to do good; and do so because it is right" - Albert Pike

If one were to seek to understand the teachings of Masonry, instead of wasting the energy it takes to pervert its honor, one could learn much of themselves and spread a wealth of positive energy, instead of supporting the vile attitude that most students approach the Occult Sciences with. Knowledge is nothing but meaningless drivel, if one can not grasp the importance of Morality - there is nothing to attain with the secret teachings but Love and Understanding. Those who would disagree should investigate into the unfortunate lives of alchemists looking to create real gold - for your fortunes will be the same.

A true Mason knows that our greatest prayer is our lives - which we sacrifice upon the altar, so we can become a living stone of an eternal temple. I suggest others do the same.