Freemasonry, Geometry, God and the Goat

[brifae]

Yes i have read morals and dogma sounds like a christian saying have you actually read the bible, when you have more than once.

I only hear more denials and no explanations, there was a little about A pike. My acccusations go beyond paxil there were many references.The quotes are not unsubstantiated they are from your own works or well documented. It is a forum up for others to discuss. One fledgling here said we dont use baphomet and i proved them wrong including hiram came here and said yes we do but its misunderstood.

I have not personally assaulted anyone with words, wheras the masonic groups called me insane and an assaulter. I have carried myself with leo regal dignity, and i forgive you. But i will resist tyranny, a conspiracy is two or more people coming together to do something against society, and since almost all presidents have been masons and hold high positions, one has to scrutinize and to be called crazy is their first weapon of defence, defamation to keep the normalcy of power structure. I said again not all masons are evil like all catholics compared to the vatican. You are deluded not to see mass mind control.

To clarify for a second time i am biased against all forms of accepted organized religion because i feel they have been corrupted, so i equally distrust all systems. I am willing to listen masons, but i know you are unwilling to discuss , just deny, whether or not it goes against your oaths, you can still teach without giving out the "goose" This is Celtaur's thread. Lets see you start some threads on your theology and magic for once, i will respond will a curious nonaccusatory mind, but will still quote others so dont take offense, take time to explain not deny, be more balanced, maybe do a middle pillar before you respond. Ball is in your court.

[nospoplusiunctum]

I'm sorry but you have been passively insulting those who actually hold Masonry close to their hearts and for me its been in my family for generations and your assaulting apart of my heritage in your thoughtless words. I'm going to be very forward with you, its either that you haven't read Morals and Dogma or you failed to absorb its message as it is a very complicated book. This is easy to detect because the quotes you take from it have nothing to do with the sentence its found in (therefore its out of context) and is twisted to fit YOUR message about Masonry, not Albert Pike's. I have read alot of your posts and it seems you have no substantial knowledge of Masonry or its teachings, and that what you have to say about it are assumptions that have no direct evidence ce or even relevance to Masonic History. Its easy to dismiss what your saying because it can be found on abundant conspiracy websites and cannot even be entertained as facts.

Masonry has very beautiful teachings. I suggest you seek and try to understand them, instead of making accusations from a far. In the end this is a science of consciousness, that unites the seeker with the divine ground

[nventr]

Try to see what is being created here. Try to see that this is a microcosm of what has been happening world wide for the past 2,000 years and more.

Let’s try to create Understanding so Harmony can be achieved.

[Hiram]

I am all for creating understanding and harmony. In fact on my first post in this thread I posted a link to the story of The Blind Men and the Elephant. All I have requested is that the discussion remains objective and not accusatory. Brifae has promised to restrain her bias where possible and that is all I wanted from the start.

Brifae, regarding my inability or unwillingness to discuss these matters you are most mistaken. I have not been raised into the lodge of my fathers because I am only 20 and in my area a man must be 21 prior to application. This being the case I have sworn no oaths of secrecy and I am not unwilling to disclose the information I have gained on these topics thus far. My father is a mason, as was his grandfather, and his before him...etc, they were all men of distinction within their communities, ranging from fire and police services to serving our country in times of war. These men of influence in my life found great value in the philosophy, teachings, and brotherhood gained in the lodge. When you insult the institution you insult my heritage and my inheritance, so please tread lightly.

In regards to Albert Pike on Lucifer, this is a common quote used amongst conspiracy theorists to "exploit" the satanic nature of masonry. The truth is rooted in a mistranslation. Lucifer has been incorrectly transformed into an alternative name for Satan when in truth the verse in Isaiah is referencing an ancient Babylonian king that had fallen from grace, because he raised himself to the status of God. The link below goes into a little more depth and saves me from an hours writing :P I encourage you to read through the entirety but if you scroll to the part on Lucifer it will suffice.

http://www.masonicinfo.com/lucifer.htm

[brifae]

I am familiar with the kings of tyre,
are you saying pike didnt write morals and dogma in english originally, cause the lucifer quote is from him.
I am also aware of the biblical mistranslation though lucifer is not satan i'm aware.

[Hiram]

no sorry if that is how I made it sound. the bible is what was mistranslated. Lucifer is a latin name for the morning star. it is not the name of satan. the original hebrew scripture Isaiah makes no mention of Lucifer being the name for a fallen angel. the original story is of an ancient babylonian king that tried to put himself above God and fell from heavens grace. the story was mistranslated by translators and that is how the myth of lucifer began. please read through the link i provided and it will be made clear.

[brifae]

the G can be said to represent, Geometry, Goat, God... depending on who you ask I suppose.

One said it is G generation generative life pyramidic force of fire, planets matter stars...pyre fire spirit triangle