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  1. 05-03-2008 06:20 PM #1
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    I found these videos on the whirling dirvish. I know that wiccan's use this practice according to books I've read.

    unfortunately embedding of these videos has been disabled... but you can watch them directly at Youtube

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    Thanks for that Celtaur. Some really interesting background info.

    I felt dizzy just watching them....

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    I did too. I was amazed at how long they whirled for. They must have a lot of practice. I would simply fall over.

    I noticed that they had their right hand palm facing upward, and their left hand palm facing the ground. It could have some association with the symbolism of baphomet, the magician tarot card, etc in which the right hand is upwards toward the higher realms, and the left hand is directed towards the lower realms.
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    . Yeah, I'm a bit too old to be spinning around like that, myself. . I've never encountered any groups that actually practice whirling, only read about it a few times. I would agree that the opposite positions of the hands are probably rooted in associations with the higher and lower realms. I would also think that it would allow a greater flow of energy in both drawing from The Divine and when releasing the pent-up energy back into the ether. I suppose it could also be an enactment of "As above, so below."

    As far as getting dizzy, I know that professional skaters learn a way to spin very fast that doesn't get them dizzy, such as that used by Dorothy Hamel (not sure if that's spelled correctly, but the move was later dubbed the Hamel Camel. I'm sure it could be found on YouTube, if you're interested in seeing it). I saw it on a show about Olympic skaters once, but I don't remember the actual technique they used. I'm wondering if these people learn a similar technique, because most people wouldn't last more than a few seconds spinning like that. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtaur View Post
    I did too. I was amazed at how long they whirled for. They must have a lot of practice. I would simply fall over.

    I noticed that they had their right hand palm facing upward, and their left hand palm facing the ground. It could have some association with the symbolism of baphomet, the magician tarot card, etc in which the right hand is upwards toward the higher realms, and the left hand is directed towards the lower realms.
    Some times the gifts we get from doing things associated with magick or mysticism are not difficult to explain. Obviously, they have a reason to spin, and now are going to have super-balance. Also, reading, numerology, etc. are all intellectual exercises. It shouldn't be poorly looked upon, but I find it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaldean Shaper View Post
    It shouldn't be poorly looked upon, but I find it is.
    Really? I had never appreciated that the dervish tradition was seen in a negative light. I suppose as the west increasingly influences the expectations of young muslims, such orders are seen as less attractive...

    It is akin in some ways to the Christian monastic tradition: the word dervish means one who has nothing (except God), and the Dervish belong to an ascetic order of the Sufi tradition. The whirling dance is practiced only by one order of the Dervish, and is believed to bring the dancer to a state of religious ecstasy through union with God.

    I found this page offers a nice summary of the symbolism in various aspects of the dance movement, the significane of the clothing and stances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haruth View Post
    Really? I had never appreciated that the dervish tradition was seen in a negative light. I suppose as the west increasingly influences the expectations of young muslims, such orders are seen as less attractive...

    It is akin in some ways to the Christian monastic tradition: the word dervish means one who has nothing (except God), and the Dervish belong to an ascetic order of the Sufi tradition. The whirling dance is practiced only by one order of the Dervish, and is believed to bring the dancer to a state of religious ecstasy through union with God.

    I found this page offers a nice summary of the symbolism in various aspects of the dance movement, the significane of the clothing and stances.

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    Oops! Sorry Chaldean Shaper. I read that quickly at work and missed the point...

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    I think the hand positions have signifcance as one meditation I say is the power in my right hand to direct power, in my left the knowledge to divine and heal. I am not sure about the spinning, but to give one an euphoric feeling. I used to spin around when I was little and would laugh heartily while I did this. Just an observation.
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    I think many of us felt that way when we'd spin in youth.
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