The Truth

[Callmegranny]

In John 8:32 Jesus said:" You shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free".

Almost everyone has heard this statement, yet only few have asked themselves:

What is the Truth?

I studied every sentence in the New Testament that Jesus supposedly spoke and asked myself: Will this statement set me free? I could not find one sentence, but three. If you put these three sentences together you will know who God is and you in relationship to God.


In John 4:24 Jesus said:" God is a spirit"
Can we agree that God is spirit? Can we agree that God is not physical? Can we agree that spirit cannot be seen (as the physical realm) but only experienced and felt?


And if we can agree with that, must not another question arise? If God is not the physical realm, what is the physical realm? Does the physical realm actually really exist or is the physical realm a manifestation of my beliefs?


In John 10:30 Jesus said: " I and my father are one"


What does that mean? I and my father are together? Or I and my father are the same?

In the Old Testament we read in Genesis 1:26-27 that we are made in Gods likeness and image. So, let me get this straight: If God is spirit and we are made in "his/she/it" likeness and image, then we are one and the same, so we too must be spirit and not as many believe the body or the mind.


We hear time and time again about miracles happening all around the world. People are healing without operation and medication. People are experiencing things that scientist & doctors cannot explain and so on. Do maybe miracles give us a clue to who we truly are?


In order to put all the pieces together we are still missing one vital piece of the puzzle: If God is spirit, is spirit good? The statement that God is spirit does not tell us if spirit is necessary good also.


In Math. 5:48 Jesus said: "Be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect." Spirit is not good or bad, but perfect.

Be ye perfect, asks us to be, not to become. Since we are made in God's likeness and image, we too are perfect already. What is holding us back from experiencing ourselves as perfect is the belief that we are not and already. Instead we believe that we or someone else did something wrong, and/or we believe that we still have to do something in order to be. We believe: If I pray (ask) then I will know, If I meditate then I will hear, If I eat healthy then I will be healthy, If I give then I will receive, If I diet then I will loose weight and so on.


But all these things only demonstrate the belief that we are not already perfect. With other words if we still think we need to do something in order to be, we are not. Alone the thought that we are not makes our experience a less than perfect one. We are talking here about our experience only.

You are perfect already. You were perfect before you were born into this so called life and you will return again to perfection. But unless you are consciously aware that you are perfect it will not be your experience.

[Celtaur]

In John 4:24 Jesus said:" God is a spirit"
Can we agree that God is spirit? Can we agree that God is not physical? Can we agree that spirit cannot be seen (as the physical realm) but only experienced and felt?


And if we can agree with that, must not another question arise? If God is not the physical realm, what is the physical realm? Does the physical realm actually really exist or is the physical realm a manifestation of my beliefs?

I believe God is all things in all realms, including the physical. God is the sun, the air I breath, the energy of life in my body, the water I drink, the thoughts I think, the space in between the matter, all spirit, all dimensions, all of consciousness, all of existence, alpha & omega.

In John 10:30 Jesus said: " I and my father are one"


What does that mean? I and my father are together? Or I and my father are the same?

In the Old Testament we read in Genesis 1:26-27 that we are made in Gods likeness and image. So, let me get this straight: If God is spirit and we are made in "his/she/it" likeness and image, then we are one and the same, so we too must be spirit and not as many believe the body or the mind.

We are all one, the illusion is separateness, "image" = imagination = consciousness. From thought and consciousness all things are manifested.
"All is mind" - Hermes Trismegistus

Therefor we, as all of existence is a manifestation of the God Mind and is therefore not separate from us, we are all parts of it, we are all parts of God. Universal source. I consider God to be less of a "being" and more of a beingness.

In Math. 5:48 Jesus said: "Be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect." Spirit is not good or bad, but perfect.

Be ye perfect, asks us to be, not to become. Since we are made in God's likeness and image, we too are perfect already. What is holding us back from experiencing ourselves as perfect is the belief that we are not and already. Instead we believe that we or someone else did something wrong, and/or we believe that we still have to do something in order to be. We believe: If I pray (ask) then I will know, If I meditate then I will hear, If I eat healthy then I will be healthy, If I give then I will receive, If I diet then I will loose weight and so on.

But all these things only demonstrate the belief that we are not already perfect. With other words if we still think we need to do something in order to be, we are not. Alone the thought that we are not makes our experience a less than perfect one. We are talking here about our experience only.

Yes this is what many religions have taught us, that we are imperfect, that we are separate, that we are not good enough, and that we must go to Church to get better, but this is not the higher truth as I see it, this is the system conditioning the mind.

Spirit is not good or bad it is infinite and timeless... here in the physical world we experience the "personality" in the realm of illusions we call duality, which are judgments, comparisons of opposites within a spectrum. The personality is temporary and is not the totality of our truth or who we are, it is merely an experience for our spirits, The spirit can not be tainted by the personality because the spirit is the source as a pure manifestation of what we call life.

[sephir]

I don't feel confident when it comes to answering questions related to religion and one's personal belief system. I realize that my understanding of Torah might strongly differ from yours (I'm a kabbalist), especially if you are a religious person. I hope my answer is not going to insult your religious views. Let's give it a shot...

In John 4:24 Jesus said:" God is a spirit"
Can we agree that God is spirit? Can we agree that God is not physical?

GOD

Well, first thing to clear up is what is "God". Indisputably, this word is coming from ancient Hebrew (Elohim - אלוהים ), which in gematria is equal with the word "Nature" (Tewa טבע). When two Hebrew words have identical gematria number, they have identical meaning. Hence, initially (before Judaism), kabbalists created this word to describe the laws of Nature. By this day, the genuine meaning of this word remains the same among kabbalists. Judaism, and other religions deriving from it, were born much after Kabbalah, and they were obviously based on missunderstanding of kabbalistic texts (including Torah, Mishna, Gemara, Midrash) caused by lack of knowledge of the secred code kabbalists created to cipher their books (so called, the language of branches, that involves gematria).

SPIRIT

Now let's try to figure out what is "spirit" (Ruah רוח), or "spiritual" (ruchani רוחני)This word doesn't refer to any realm, space, or location whatsoever. It refers to intention of human's desires, and there are two : egoistic and altruistic. We are familiar with egoistic desires only, and we know nothing about the others. The acquisition of the altruistic desires (called "sacred" as well - kadosh קדוש) is the goal of Kabbalah. Why? Because all the Nature is entirely altruistic. The only exception is human being, in which egoism has been gradually developed since its appearance. The more difference between human and nature is, the more human suffers. It's similar to cancer. The human seems to be the cancer in the Nature, and the Nature is trying to destroy approaching danger. This is why kabbalists developed a method allowing them to enter the SPIRITUAL WORLD - what means, to acquire a complete equivalence of qualities with the Nature.

Thus we can understand better the quote "God is a spirit", which briefly sums up the above. In other words : "The law of Nature is altruism".

In John 10:30 Jesus said: " I and my father are one"

Well, it's a difficult quote to comment, since the genuine meaning of those words would actually offend Christianity. Please, keep reading only if you consider yourself an open person.

In fact, the Bible does not indicate that Jesus ever claimed to be a Messiah. They are translations that use the term "Messiah" interchangeably with "Son of God". This is one of the greatest missunderstandings ever, since these words have completely different meaning. It's indeed probable that Jesus called himself "a son of God", but what does it mean?

Son of God
This is an ancient expression, used to indicate a person who acquired some level of similarity with Nature. According to the definitions brought above, "Son of God" means "a person with altruistic desires". Hence, there were many "sons of God" in history of Israel (Isra El ישראל = directed towards God/Nature), and obviously, Jesus wasn't the only one.

In the Old Testament we read in Genesis 1:26-27 that we are made in Gods likeness and image.

It's too complex and profound topic to clear up on forum...

[Callmegranny]

I am not attached to my interpretations...take them or leave them...my bliss remains : )

If you know the Truth...you will see it every where. If you don't know the Truth....you will see it no where.

[tgeorgiana]

But all these things only demonstrate the belief that we are not already perfect. With other words if we still think we need to do something in order to be, we are not. Alone the thought that we are not makes our experience a less than perfect one. We are talking here about our experience only.

You are perfect already. You were perfect before you were born into this so called life and you will return again to perfection. But unless you are consciously aware that you are perfect it will not be your experience.

If we consider that we are the sons of God and God is perfect then we are perfect. Like every parent God gave us the freedom of the will. It is only our choice to respect his path. I think God wants only one thing from us: to develope. We are like the little children and it is our choice to learn more, every time till we became one with God.

Near this road there are many paths. It is your free will if you take on another road. Most of the time you take the decision to leave God`s way and in that moment you make mistakes. This mistakes have to be repaired and the only way is to learn how to do it (the law of causes and effects).

What I want to say it that we lose our faultlessness, but we acquired back learning from our mistakes and repairing them.

In this moment I can`t say if God it is perfect or not, I can`t bring the proof that is perfect, we don`t have a scale to measure His (im)perfection.

Pascal bet: "If you believe in God and he does not exist than you didn`t lose anything, but if God exists and you didn`t believe that, you lose everything". It is a very good bet! We don`t have nothing to lose if we belive that God is perfect (to be read: like we know He is!).

I hope I made myself understandable (I still fear for my language).

Love conquer your hearts,
Georgiana

[angelfire]

In John 8:32 Jesus said:" You shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free".

Almost everyone has heard this statement, yet only few have asked themselves:

What is the Truth?

I studied every sentence in the New Testament that Jesus supposedly spoke and asked myself: Will this statement set me free? I could not find one sentence, but three. If you put these three sentences together you will know who God is and you in relationship to God.


In John 4:24 Jesus said:" God is a spirit"
Can we agree that God is spirit? Can we agree that God is not physical? Can we agree that spirit cannot be seen (as the physical realm) but only experienced and felt?


And if we can agree with that, must not another question arise? If God is not the physical realm, what is the physical realm? Does the physical realm actually really exist or is the physical realm a manifestation of my beliefs?


In John 10:30 Jesus said: " I and my father are one"


What does that mean? I and my father are together? Or I and my father are the same?

In the Old Testament we read in Genesis 1:26-27 that we are made in Gods likeness and image. So, let me get this straight: If God is spirit and we are made in "his/she/it" likeness and image, then we are one and the same, so we too must be spirit and not as many believe the body or the mind.


We hear time and time again about miracles happening all around the world. People are healing without operation and medication. People are experiencing things that scientist & doctors cannot explain and so on. Do maybe miracles give us a clue to who we truly are?


In order to put all the pieces together we are still missing one vital piece of the puzzle: If God is spirit, is spirit good? The statement that God is spirit does not tell us if spirit is necessary good also.


In Math. 5:48 Jesus said: "Be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect." Spirit is not good or bad, but perfect.

Be ye perfect, asks us to be, not to become. Since we are made in God's likeness and image, we too are perfect already. What is holding us back from experiencing ourselves as perfect is the belief that we are not and already. Instead we believe that we or someone else did something wrong, and/or we believe that we still have to do something in order to be. We believe: If I pray (ask) then I will know, If I meditate then I will hear, If I eat healthy then I will be healthy, If I give then I will receive, If I diet then I will loose weight and so on.


But all these things only demonstrate the belief that we are not already perfect. With other words if we still think we need to do something in order to be, we are not. Alone the thought that we are not makes our experience a less than perfect one. We are talking here about our experience only.

You are perfect already. You were perfect before you were born into this so called life and you will return again to perfection. But unless you are consciously aware that you are perfect it will not be your experience.

The only words that come to mind are "Brilliant, absolutely Brilliant"

I am not attached to my interpretations...take them or leave them...my bliss remains : )

If you know the Truth...you will see it every where. If you don't know the Truth....you will see it no where.

Pls, can I adopt you?


Peace be to you.

[Dalleth]

It is my understanding that YHVH, JEHOVA and or YAWEH are all "names of god", in that they are all tears that basically translate to "THE NAME" due to the fact that gods name can never be spoken or written

[StarFairy]

As an ex- born again christian I believe this passage means exactly what it says. Our own truth...are we loving, a drunk, lazy, jealous. Our demons; when we know our demons we are able to erradicate them. I believe this is what the passage meant. It may not be easy but once you are set free of your demons you really are free.

[QUEST]

In John 8:32 Jesus said:" You shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free".

Almost everyone has heard this statement, yet only few have asked themselves:

What is the Truth?

I studied every sentence in the New Testament that Jesus supposedly spoke and asked myself: Will this statement set me free? I could not find one sentence, but three. If you put these three sentences together you will know who God is and you in relationship to God.


In John 4:24 Jesus said:" God is a spirit"
Can we agree that God is spirit? Can we agree that God is not physical? Can we agree that spirit cannot be seen (as the physical realm) but only experienced and felt?


And if we can agree with that, must not another question arise? If God is not the physical realm, what is the physical realm? Does the physical realm actually really exist or is the physical realm a manifestation of my beliefs?


In John 10:30 Jesus said: " I and my father are one"


What does that mean? I and my father are together? Or I and my father are the same?

In the Old Testament we read in Genesis 1:26-27 that we are made in Gods likeness and image. So, let me get this straight: If God is spirit and we are made in "his/she/it" likeness and image, then we are one and the same, so we too must be spirit and not as many believe the body or the mind.


We hear time and time again about miracles happening all around the world. People are healing without operation and medication. People are experiencing things that scientist & doctors cannot explain and so on. Do maybe miracles give us a clue to who we truly are?


In order to put all the pieces together we are still missing one vital piece of the puzzle: If God is spirit, is spirit good? The statement that God is spirit does not tell us if spirit is necessary good also.


In Math. 5:48 Jesus said: "Be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect." Spirit is not good or bad, but perfect.

Be ye perfect, asks us to be, not to become. Since we are made in God's likeness and image, we too are perfect already. What is holding us back from experiencing ourselves as perfect is the belief that we are not and already. Instead we believe that we or someone else did something wrong, and/or we believe that we still have to do something in order to be. We believe: If I pray (ask) then I will know, If I meditate then I will hear, If I eat healthy then I will be healthy, If I give then I will receive, If I diet then I will loose weight and so on.


But all these things only demonstrate the belief that we are not already perfect. With other words if we still think we need to do something in order to be, we are not. Alone the thought that we are not makes our experience a less than perfect one. We are talking here about our experience only.

You are perfect already. You were perfect before you were born into this so called life and you will return again to perfection. But unless you are consciously aware that you are perfect it will not be your experience.

some of your thoughts reminds me of a book i am now reading. call the science of mind, by earnest holmes. he also says, that we are perfect-spirit, but we have forgotten or do not realize it. the book is interesting but at times hard to follow since he also talks about healing yourself and others. this is new ground for me. have you ever heard of him?

[Echo]

You will forgive me for stating the obvious, but the original post was written, with great beauty and simplicity, from a purely Christian viewpoint.

While it is undoubtedly true that the document we know as the Bible has suffered greatly in terms of translation, interpretation and indeed allowable content over the centuries, it is also true that for those to whom it speaks, it is divinely inspired and is as it should be, and carries the word of God.


I feel that whatever brings grace to a life carries its own truth. For myself, I see Jesus as a Lightbringer, a Son of God, but one of many who have brought Light to the dark corners of human life.

I see all of creation, manifest and unmanifest, as part of the One Source that we choose to call God in the Christian tradition, and many other names in other religions. To me, They are all One. A whole, not a collection of separate states and beings. As we are all One, facets of the Divine. We are of the essence of God, and thus we can say that we are, in essence, perfect.

There is a quote that says that 'we are spiritual beings experiencing a physical existence' and my personal view is that this is right. Our physical bodies are vehicles of experience and learning for the soul which is part of the One and will return to the One enriched by experiences that can be learned by living as we do.

I cannot concieve of the Source being static. A dynamic force of creation is unlikely to stand still, in my view. I concieve of that Source animated, pure energy, excited by existence, seeking ever to expand. We are the tools that faciltate that expansion by our experience.

The personalities that our soul animates during a physical life is simply a temporary home. It can be flawed and in need of perfecting, without 'damage' to the soul, as those flaws and frailties allow us to grow consciously towards the Light.